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is there *anyone* else out there that feels this way?

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Sombra

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it's been soooo long since I've RPd the way I once did...

my life has changed in so many ways since the "good ol' days"...

I graduated high school, moved from NY to MD to FL and now I'm in Albuquerque, NM....

I still love to flirt... but seriously only with my husband. I love seeing everyone, the posts, the roleplay... hell I love to RP still IRL. I miss the days of old yet... I don't know.

Things have changed so much for me. I just could never act the way I once did...

is that stupid? lol
 

LadyChina

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#2
I dunno... I was always pretty much a silly bitch. I think I'm doing a fairly good job carrying on the tradition started long ago.

In detail, what behavior exactly is it that you no longer feel you can engage in?
 

Bourne

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I lack the innocence that those times brought... it seems the influx of games since lack a good vehicle for roleplay. True, it is in within one's own heart whether they can hold the torch of roleplay, but it is increasingly difficult with the proliferation of kEwL DooDz looking for pHaT LeWtZ...
 

Dolnor

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#5
One of the priorities of good roleplaying is the suspension of your Real Life. Forget about the bills, the jerks at work/school, your tasks that needing to be done around the house, the weather, the neighbors, everything. Return back to a time when stress didn't exist, when doing your homework was done on the bus on the way to school, when the biggest daily burden was trying to squeeze in another hour of play...after the sun went down and before your parent starts yelling for you to come home.

So many of us get caught in the "must worry/stress every moment of my life" treadmill. Guess what, if you don't think about it for 2 hours...it will still be there waiting for you when you start stressing again...so don't worry about it! -)

Can you get down on your hands and knees and play with children...or do you just stand there watching them play...hoping you could join in? No one will laugh at you if you play with them. In fact, they will be envious that you can suspend your Life to recapture that sense of play.

Toodles,

Dolnor
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Yor

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Bourne, I think you expressed my thoughts exactly.

For me, it is very difficult with todays MMORPGs to really get into my characters when I'm surrounded by people who either 1) can't communicate without bastardizing the English language with their d00d-speak, 2) totally disrespect other players in their quest to get the phat lewt, or 3) or over-analyze the crap out of the game mechanics.

However, since I've been playing EverQuest in Dec 99, I've run into some people who really take advantage of the game world to get into character. On Tunare, there is (was?) two role playing guilds that were always fun to watch. They were co-guilds, one for the light side, one for the dark side. They made up a history, developed amazing storylines, and actually included outsiders in their role-plays if the people followed their rules. The guild leader of the guild I was in was good friends with one of the RP guilds' leaders and once in a while our guild members could RP with them. Even if we weren't the best roleplayers they were very gracious in guiding us, and even let our actions affect their stories.

The funny thing about EQ though is that people on the 'Role Playing Preferred' server of Firiona Vie, are actually chastised for staying in character. /boggle
 

Lord_Cie

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For me, it is very difficult with todays MMORPGs to really get into my characters when I'm surrounded by people who either 1) can't communicate without bastardizing the English language with their d00d-speak, 2) totally disrespect other players in their quest to get the phat lewt, or 3) or over-analyze the crap out of the game mechanics.
Aye, I saw a bit of this in my time playing World of Warcraft. It's tough to speculate what's happened since Yserbius, but I do think it's the wide availability of computers, and the increased ease of using them. I would say 11-15 years ago, you had to have a bit of intelligence, just to keep changing your config.sys and autoexec.bat . Plug and play brings out the wretched hive of scum and villainy :p

The old days are not totally dead, though. I've been in some interesting guilds in the past few years. I was in one guild for SWG and WoW that would have been perfect (flexible group from RP to no RP, nice Ventrilo server, cool people for the most part), if not for the ranks and heirarchy. They had these whacked out elaborate ceremonies (read: Puffed up) for new recruits and becoming an officer that would have put KOY in its heyday to shame. Good times, a pity their problems outweighed the fun in the end :(
 

LadyChina

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When EQ first went public, Grimster The Merc - a dark elf - was asked by some light and life human to hold all his equipment while he went to get another character or something. Grimster agreed, then acted like the dark elf he was and disappeared with it all. He had his account suspended for his roleplaying excellence. Apparently roleplay is only supposed to extend to accents and attitudes. How silly. I'd never ask a dark elf to hold anything I wasn't willing to lose or have tainted forever. Sheesh.
 

Yor

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LadyChina said:
Grimster agreed, then acted like the dark elf he was and disappeared with it all. He had his account suspended for his roleplaying excellence. Apparently roleplay is only supposed to extend to accents and attitudes.
I don't know Grimster's player, so my comments aren't really directed at his actions. Too many times I've seen players take advantage of other players and then try to justify their actions by saying they were 'roleplaying'. No, they weren't roleplaying. They were using the game as an outlet for their mean spirited real life attitudes and/or lack of maturity. That's not to say that the 'victims' aren't also responsible. You can only be taken advantage of if you allow it (save for people who, for whatever reason, aren't able to understand what is going on).

However, it is just a game. In the end, all you have to do is 'camp out' and leave the in-game idiots behind for the idiots you meet in real life. :D

To comment on the account suspension, since Grimster was such a good roleplayer, I'm sure he took it in stride and realized one of the GMs was 'roleplaying' a diety that took offense to his actions and decided to banish him from existance. ;)
 

LadyChina

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So, whats the line of roleplay? I've spent years as "Lady China" posting as "Lady China" with her words, her mannerisms, and her views on life and death, and JUST found out, thanks to Kyrandos and his insider's tip "Ah, most people don't roleplay on the posting boards or in IRC". Oh REALLY?

So, I go to the KAAOS boards or the Mercs boards or the Regulator's boards and I'm supposed to go there as what? A mother? A wife? A postal worker? I can see how I might go to "Real FOLKS dot com" as that, but to a GUILD board of ROLEPLAY GAMERS? I'm supposed to give them a "HEADS UP"- this isn't really ME, this is LADY CHINA. Is that penalty for maintaining a name for so long?

You think "roleplay" is some really strenuous OVERT thinking process that one has to engage in in order for it to truly be "roleplay"? You don't think that people that hang out in KAAOS and the Mercs have been traveling down a dark path (in action and verbiage) in games for so long that anything they do is part of their PERSONNA of chaos/evil? So you're going to judge somebody for being so good for so long at their chosen style of roleplay?

I was at a renassiance festival a couple years ago and they had a "Squire training" take place. All the boys ages five to ten were invited to the center of a field, with their wooden swords and shields. In the center of the circle they formed was one of the "real" knights of the festival. Full leather armor, real sword (not sharpened I hope), and the real attitude of a Knight. This was not some "roleplay", where there was a little tickle of the real deal, but no damage done. No - this Knight schooled the boys with questions and demands, one boy he decided wasn't doing as well as he should. He took this boy by the scruff of his neck, pulled him out into the middle of the field, and made the other boys laugh with his mockery, while the crowd of adults grew ever silent. Finally he said, "You're not to be a squire!" and sent him running back to his mother in the crowd. Crying. I thought he'd gone too far. Way too far for the sake of his "role" as a Knight. Way past the socially accepted venues of "acting" with the crowd. In this case, Yor. I would say this was roleplay taken too far. So there are cases.

As for Grimster and his dark elf behavior - whats the line for you? Is it okay for him to yell insults at the person? To perhaps emote a "spit"? Just not to do what a sly dark elf would do, no doubt, and befriend a fool and relieve him of his goods? At what point do you start worrying about the emotional damage done by a dark elf's insults? What if the person he was interacting with just had a really really low tolerance for being called a stupid human? At what point is roleplay OKAY - when its not the airy fairy falalalalalalalala kind?

You did read about the guy that went and killed another player for selling his rare item didn't you? So I suppose we're all taking risks in whatever behaviors we're engaging in.

Personally I find the false face of a harmonic to be the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. Sucker punches from the one selling lollipops. I admire all of KAAOS and all the Mercs there has ever been, because though they pack a hell of a blow, they're up front about their desire to dole it out.

The person that banned Grimster's account was abusing power. If you're going to have an "evil" race - you best define what "evil" is before you even start the game. What the hell, can I get an amen for some sort of racist crap going on? If all that makes a dark elf EVIL is his darkness - I think the NAACP needs to get involved. Or, could a dark elf show his wicked nature by stealing the armor of a stupid human...
 

Yor

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I don't have an issue with a dark elf taking advantage of a human. I often wonder why all the races who hate each other always seem to be in groups. :) (Yes, yes, I know, dark elves are just using the high elves to futher their own interests...sigh)

As for where the line gets drawn between roleplay and real life? One example is if a transaction was 'out of character'. That is, PlayerX is asking PlayerY to hold some items so they can transfer them to PlayerX's other character. It's a little inconvenient for PlayerY to switch to his light-side worshipping do-gooder knight when his sly, evil, take advantage of any situation necromancer is already logged in. :)

I guess I should have been more clear in my post, or maybe I was, and I'm not clear on your response. I wasn't judging Grimster, or his situation. I was commenting on people who aren't roleplaying, but like to act like jerks because they think they can, and then fall back on the 'roleplaying' excuse when they get called before a GM. (My comment about Grimster's suspension was tongue-in-cheek, by the way. I was just being a smart-ass. Somewhere in my post I think I did say that 'victims' are just as responsible for what happens to them. But hey, we live in a world of people trying to pass off responsibility for what happens to them because of their own stupidity. Why else would the U.S. Congress have to consider a law banning lawsuits against fast food companies because the people ate fast food and got fat?)
 

Lord_Cie

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#14
Sometimes it's important to roleplay race. For example. My character on SWG was Wookiee, and one of my best friends was ... Trandoshan?! I should have ripped his arms off!

Ah geek alarm is on.

I will shut up now :)
 

Sombra

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#15
as mentioned, it's not that I don't enjoy or cannot seem to RP anymore..


it's that I acted very immature in my ways of RP during the YS times.. I never saw myself that bad but the extreme flirting and need for attention that came from so many of the women online at that time... it just amazes me to think about now. Do women still act that way online these days? It sickens me to think of it now... Anyway I miss playing the character "Sombra" but she will never be the same as she once was.

Though I am considering bringing back "SombyTalk" ... but afraid of how many folks would see it as a simple form of l33t speak =/

Ah well.. point is that I have too much respect for myself these days to RP in a manner of desperation or attention whoring for lack of better words... and anyone asking me to go into detail of things I have admitted to not feeling comfortable with probably never will understand what I'm talking about.
 

LadyChina

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So why bring it up if you don't want to talk about it? And the logic of "Well, I don't feel comfortable roleplaying "BlAH" - THEREFORE - I can't even discuss what "BLAH" used to entail - is faulty. And never assume that people won't understand something because they actually responded with interest to you. How is anybody to ever understand anything if questions aren't asked?

So, what I'm hearing is that "roleplay" wasn't really involved in the behavior you were uncomfortable with. It was a personal need, not the character flaws or quirks of some "personna".

An agreed upon vocabulary is the cornerstone of logical and critical arguement. If you're talking about roleplay thats one thing, if you're talking about your lack of personal need for attention like you used to have thats another.

Maybe somebody else can fill me in on what the hell you're talking about. The best advice I can give is to not place a post regarding something you don't really want people to delve in to.
 

Bourne

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LadyChina said:
The person that banned Grimster's account was abusing power. If you're going to have an "evil" race - you best define what "evil" is before you even start the game. What the hell, can I get an amen for some sort of racist crap going on? If all that makes a dark elf EVIL is his darkness - I think the NAACP needs to get involved. Or, could a dark elf show his wicked nature by stealing the armor of a stupid human...
That would be the NAABP.... National Association for the Advancement of Blue People...


Hey, those same abuses were evident in Yserbius. I was banned by INNSara for smoking "Troll Weed". When she couldn't ban me for that, she'd send warnings for me eating Aldbora pods - saying it was a drug reference. Aldbora pods were in the game, a quest item if I recall... (nature's quest? memory...). Who was she to have me banned for such a thing? Personal vendettas always get in the way....

I got into a long philosophical debate with whoever the head of the GMs was on the phone, off duty, at her house. I forget her name, only that she was in a pretty bad car accident that day and not in a good mood. She didn't have a leg to stand on either, and she knew it. In conclusion, her only argument was "It's our game and we'll run it as we please".

Can't argue with that logic....
 

Bourne

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As for rogues, well, I've seen numerous ones rip people off and exclaim "WTF dOoD I'm roleplaying". Wouldn't it be just as easy to roleplay picking their pocket or items? Stealing "real" items is a problem in that real time was put in to acquire the 1's and 0's that make up that item. Not roleplay time... real user time.

On the other hand if a rogue were to roleplay the theft, chances are the victim would say "WTF?" and just go about his business. That to me would be enough of an indication that person/victim is not into roleplay, is not into the forced scenario. So then the "rogue" takes it a step further... let's piss off the player and force the desired reaction by annoying the person in real life. That's where I think roleplay ends. I'm not suggesting you fall into this cataegory, LC - I know better - but it is all over the place and in your face.

Most haven't the training or patience to roleplay a scene these days. Personally, I try to accomodate anyone who roleplays with me but look where my roots are... look where our roots are. We are different. I don't say that in an attempt at elitism (a trap many roleplayers fall into however), but it is what it is. Ours was a different time and those who embraced it were fortunate, I feel.
 

Yor

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Bourne said:
As for rogues, well, I've seen numerous ones rip people off and exclaim "WTF dOoD I'm roleplaying". Wouldn't it be just as easy to roleplay picking their pocket or items? Stealing "real" items is a problem in that real time was put in to acquire the 1's and 0's that make up that item. Not roleplay time... real user time.
I think this is the point I was trying to make but wasn't quite able to put it into words the right way. Sometimes I can't write my way out of a wet paper notebook. /sigh :)
 

Sombra

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lol

Roleplay will always be part self.. it cannot be otherwise. Everything you do in life is part self.

It's no one's place to judge how another roleplays or how they define roleplaying.. if you feel as if your RP style has changed since the YS days then you already know what I meant by my original post. No need to ask for specific details... :)
 
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